1964 bonneville rebuild

[Last Indian]

On 12/4/2022 at 3:17 AM, 64 kiwi boni said:

My answer to that would be “really” to chad !

no way is fuel doing that in 2 months 20 moths yeah !

Well, actually yes it does! Here’s why! Ethanol is a corrosive liquid. When added to gas it does not evaporate like Fitzy thinks! Quite the opposite. The two actually form a very very mild acid, which due to the acidic content results in a very low evaporation rate, but this carbolic acid is still more corrosive than plain ethanol. This is due to the heat that they are exposed to. In older engines that use carburetors this then becomes a huge problem unless a product like Sta-bil is used, & it must be present from the beginning! If the fuel line & carb have untreated fuel in them adding it to the tank will do no good. If you have run the carb for long enough with untreated fuel, but on a continuous basis you have still caused corrosion to the brass, aluminum, plastic & rubber parts of the carb. So any extended shut down of the engine even with treated fuel might result in some type of carb failure. 
You should realize that the gas you pump into your vehicle is already in a carbolic acid state! It doesn’t happen in you tank after the fact.
This is why way back when I talked about using Sta-bil & or a PEA additive. These additives literally, when added to ethanol fuel, cause a reaction that separates the ethanol from the gas that now allows the evaporation of the ethanol that Fitzy referred to.
P.S.

I did forget to mention that carbolic acid degrades very rapidly, thus the reason most old cars see fuel degradation in as short of time as a few weeks! But additives like Sta-bil change that time frame & extend it. Additionally fuel injected vehicles do not see that kind of degradation because the materials that add to that degradation, brass, aluminum, plastic & rubber  have been removed or treated with surface coatings to stop contact with the affected materials. And if a additive like Sta-bil has been used than the longevity of that fuel can be quite extended.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Last Indian

[64 kiwi boni]

wow !! nice Last Indian ! you never fail to teach me !!... 

why have i hurd of carbolic acid before ? is it in other things ?

[64 kiwi boni]

16 hours ago, Bonneville convertable64 said:

Looks amazing! Great job

Thank you del... whats happening with your two  64 ? any fun trips ? 

[Last Indian]

On 1/22/2023 at 12:24 AM, 64 kiwi boni said:

wow !! nice Last Indian ! you never fail to teach me !!... 

why have i hurd of carbolic acid before ? is it in other things ?

Yes, it is also known as Phenylic acid, Hydrobenzene & some others depending on the exact chemistry group. It is used in & for many things. It is used for all kinds of plastics, detergents, herbicides & pharmaceuticals. 
The point here is esters are part of every additive package that goes into gasoline. Esters combine with alcohol to form carbolic acid! Now carbolic acid is highly flammable. So from a combustion perspective that’s not bad, but as a corrosive that stays in contact with materials that can be attacked by that acid; that’s very bad! Especially from a repeated & longevity standpoint. Have you ever pulled a small carb off of a small 4 stroke engine that had a plastic gas tank? Like a lawn mower or such. Did you notice all the tiny white particles in the gas when you emptied the carb bowl? If so you saw the effect that carbolic acid had on both the plastic gas tank & the carb internal parts. That same phenomenon is occurring in a old carburetor engine. But not necessarily just the carburetor. It can also occur in the fuel pump, fuel lines & even the fuel tank in some cases depending on what materials are where. 
This way those additives like Sta-bil or Regaine are important to use without fail.

Edited January 23, 2023 by Last Indian

[64 kiwi boni]

My Christmas pressy arrived today via seagul !!  Fitzy ! Has your rebuilt carb arrived yet ?????? 

[Wrongway]

Ohhhhh thats pretty!

[64 kiwi boni]

1 hour ago, Wrongway said:

Ohhhhh thats pretty!

I know mate !!!

I think I should take it inside and put in front of the tv ! So I can perv at it for awhile !! Haha 

[Frosty]

7 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

My Christmas pressy arrived today via seagul !! /cdn-cgi/mirage/41d352449baf68e8194bc131d10cf944077f97aa2db72d7e745c7a85391cb5cd/1440/https://theme.foreverpontiac.com/emoticons/default_rofl.gif Fitzy ! Has your rebuilt carb arrived yet ?????? 

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Oh Oh the crap is about to fly down under! 

 

[Bonneville convertable64]

On 1/22/2023 at 12:32 AM, 64 kiwi boni said:

Thank you del... whats happening with your two  64 ? any fun trips ? 

Doing great! Putting original  newly rebuilt motor in Bonnie 1. Meanwhile I’m driving the backup bonnie#2. It was just used in a wedding photo shoot.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Bonneville convertable64

[Wrongway]

3 hours ago, Bonneville convertable64 said:

It was just used in a wedding photo shoot.

So Del, do you rent her out for shoots or did you know these people?

[Ringo64]

4 hours ago, Bonneville convertable64 said:

Doing great! Putting original  newly rebuilt motor in Bonnie 1. Meanwhile I’m driving the backup bonnie#2. It was just used in a wedding photo shoot.

 

58 minutes ago, Wrongway said:

So Del, do you rent her out for shoots or did you know these people?

I'm getting married in June. You available, Del?  

[64 kiwi boni]

wow Del ! number 2 looks so great in those pictures with the blue shutters in the back ground 👍

i remember you rebuilt the trans in #1, did you use stock parts for your rebuild? any modifications  ?

Edited January 26, 2023 by 64 kiwi boni

[Fitzy]

18 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

My Christmas pressy arrived today via seagul !! /cdn-cgi/mirage/6fc9334a59438b9402baa68f7e00c696341f753fa09de247bd9e8a2dbaf31507/1440/https://theme.foreverpontiac.com/emoticons/default_rofl.gif Fitzy ! Has your rebuilt carb arrived yet ?????? 

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That thing is gonna be the shiniest part of the car! My carb is ready and SHOULD be on it's way on the first available spaceship from their Jupiter headquarters...probably via Pluto.

I hope you can bolt it on and drive away.

[64 kiwi boni]

6 hours ago, Fitzy said:

That thing is gonna be the shiniest part of the car! My carb is ready and SHOULD be on it's way on the first available spaceship from their Jupiter headquarters...probably via Pluto.

I hope you can bolt it on and drive away.

Do you want to borrow my seagul ?  he flew all the way from Hagerstown, MD to Taupo NZ in 3 weeks 

and that was for $77usd 

[Fitzy]

That's pretty sharp for international freight. My own package will be on board the Nostromo - that's the ship in Alien where the crew get systematically knocked off by the creature. So my chances of ever seeing it are slim.

[64 kiwi boni]

52 minutes ago, Fitzy said:

That's pretty sharp for international freight. My own package will be on board the Nostromo - that's the ship in Alien where the crew get systematically knocked off by the creature. So my chances of ever seeing it are slim.

You watch too much tv !

[Bonneville convertable64]

I’m sure you know how i feel when I say, no way I would rent. They live a few streets over. They heard from a mutual  friend who we where and asked to rent. We explained we don’t rent but we would drive it to them and let them take pictures. They were kind enough to tip my son who drove it. “Nobody drives the Bonnie but me fool”. 

[64 kiwi boni]

Good call to Del ! I wouldn’t let anyone drive my baby’s either 👍

[Fitzy]

4 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Good call to Del ! I wouldn’t let anyone drive my baby’s either 👍

Except Greenpeace - they'd try and roll yours back into the ocean!

[64 kiwi boni]

6 hours ago, Fitzy said:

Except Greenpeace - they'd try and roll yours back into the ocean!

i feel like we are in the water !!! we have had over 4 inches of rain in the last 24 hours here in Taupo... Auckland wasnt so lucky they have had 12inchs in the last 24 hours ! major flooding up there!

so much for summer 

[JUSTA6]

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[64 kiwi boni]

gota love 8 luggers

[Andy H]

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Nice price tag🤯😳

[Wrongway]

Well that was awfully cool of you Del. 

[64 kiwi boni]

Finished standing in the rain doing gardens for the boss and thought !!!

Right now I can go fit the new carb to the 64 !!!

rain still coming down , so I stuck the 64 in the shed 

popped off the linkage 

undid the an fitting into the old carb … best I check it will fit the new Avs2……

 

Fail ! 
the old carter has a way bigger thread ( i think the old/bigger thread is the same as holly)

so I put it all back together and parked her back outside !! It’s Sunday here and there will be no one open that has the right a fitting to hook to my fuel line . 

One step forward …. One step back !

while under hood looking at the diffance of the linkages i noted i am going to have to make custom bracket for both the accelerator shaft and the trans shaft, the avs2 has nothing even close to the original carter ! gota love aftermarket !!!

Edited January 29, 2023 by 64 kiwi boni