Clearly, it needs to go to a classic car specialist - not Ultra Tune where some spotty 17 year old will scratch his head and wonder what just rolled in. "Golly Gee Wilikers - what in tarnation is THAT thing?"

Clearly, it needs to go to a classic car specialist - not Ultra Tune where some spotty 17 year old will scratch his head and wonder what just rolled in. "Golly Gee Wilikers - what in tarnation is THAT thing?"

2 hours ago, Fitzy said:

Clearly, it needs to go to a classic car specialist - not Ultra Tune where some spotty 17 year old will scratch his head and wonder what just rolled in. "Golly Gee Wilikers - what in tarnation is THAT thing?"

2 hours ago, Fitzy said:

Clearly, it needs to go to a classic car specialist - not Ultra Tune where some spotty 17 year old will scratch his head and wonder what just rolled in. "Golly Gee Wilikers - what in tarnation is THAT thing?"

Spending a hour looking for the obd2 port

Edited May 3May 3 by 64 kiwi boni

15 hours ago, Fitzy said:

I was man enough to give up and let a pro do the final touches on my car. It's not an admission to weakness to not be able to fix everything.

Make no mistake Fitzy, it's not ego. It's only having 16% of my heart function. That caused me to be disabled and on a fixed income, so when I say it's not in the budget, it's not. So I learn, research, and then I do. I build justa bout everything I can from custom 1911's, custom holsters, slings and knife sheaths, paint cars and even made some of the parts on my GP. Justa bout everything I can to save or make extra cash.

Ok, so octane booster is in the tank. The bottle said it treats 25 gallons. I figure it's got almost half a tank (25 gallon tank) so I only put in half a bottle. I thought about dumping the whole bottle figuring it would help more but I wasn't positive. Timing light should be here tomorrow.

4 hours ago, Wrongway said:

Make no mistake Fitzy, it's not ego. It's only having 16% of my heart function. That caused me to be disabled and on a fixed income, so when I say it's not in the budget, it's not. So I learn, research, and then I do. I build justa bout everything I can from custom 1911's, custom holsters, slings and knife sheaths, paint cars and even made some of the parts on my GP. Justa bout everything I can to save or make extra cash.

Ok, so octane booster is in the tank. The bottle said it treats 25 gallons. I figure it's got almost half a tank (25 gallon tank) so I only put in half a bottle. I thought about dumping the whole bottle figuring it would help more but I wasn't positive. Timing light should be here tomorrow.

That should be ok Wrongway, should at least get you to around 90 octane. Let’s hope the timing light is a go. It’ll be interesting to see where the timing is at.

Since we are supposed to be respectful here, it makes it a little hard to get the proper point across about a total arse! A real man doesn’t offer an opinion about something he knows nothing about! By his own admission I might add. A real man doesn’t make statements about things he doesn’t have a clue about, since he knows nothing about the history of whom he speaks! A real man would recognize his own shortcomings & remove the log from his own eye before he tries to pluck the splinter from someone else’s eye! 

Wrongway I’m sorry for this intrusion, but there are many of us that are here to support & do what we can to aid you!

If this is wrong to say then I don’t want to be right. Enough!

I like that “ not street legal “ bit !!!

As a famous race car driver once said !

We will keep that on the down low

Edited May 4May 4 by 64 kiwi boni

1 hour ago, Last Indian said:

Wrongway I’m sorry for this intrusion, but there are many of us that are here to support & do what we can to aid you!

Your good Indian, and as I've said before, I do truly appreciate all the help.

So here's where we're at today, the octane booster definitely helped. She still diesels but nowhere near as bad or as violently. I got the new timing light, and it seems to be working, or at least the best I could tell. I wasn't sure which numbers you wanted so I gave you a bunch. You tell me where you want me to go from here.

Ok so with the vacuum disconnected, the 1st video. The timing mark is about an inch above the timing marker. I screen shot the video and drew an arrow. The gun was on 1°. When I go too 2° the mark pushed away. When I pushed the down arrow, the gun goes to 90° and the marks gone. The 2nd video is distributor vacuum hooked up and at #6 on the marker.

With distributor vacuum hooked up I got

0 @ 20°

6 @ 13°

12 @ 8°

Edited May 4May 4 by Wrongway

3 hours ago, Wrongway said:

So here's where we're at today, the octane booster definitely helped. She still diesels but nowhere near as bad or as violently. I got the new timing light, and it seems to be working, or at least the best I could tell. I wasn't sure which numbers you wanted so I gave you a bunch. You tell me where you want me to go from here.

Ok so with the vacuum disconnected, the 1st video. The timing mark is about an inch above the timing marker. I screen shot the video and drew an arrow. The gun was on 1°. When I go too 2° the mark pushed away. When I pushed the down arrow, the gun goes to 90° and the marks gone. The 2nd video is distributor vacuum hooked up and at #6 on the marker.

With distributor vacuum hooked up I got

0 @ 20°

6 @ 13°

12 @ 8°

Ok, I’m not where I can really see this a well as I would like, but if I see what I think & I understand you correctly. Something doesn’t make sense. The last picture with the arrow. That’s without vacuum advance, right? What was the rpm?

Here try this. First take a black magic marker & color the TDC line on the harmonic. Then disconnect the vac adv. set the rpm’s at 500-600 in idle if you can. Take a reading. You want somewhere between 6 btdc & 12 btdc @ 500-600. Next hookup the vac adv. start bringing up the rpm’s & topping out at about 2500. You should be getting somewhere around 32-36 total btdc.

OK, yes, the arrow was with vacuum disconnected. The rpm's dropped to about 850. Yeah, I colored it right before I started but I will remark it and report back shortly.

Wow, ok here we go. At 500rpm I still can't get the mark to move around, it justa disappears when it gets to the pointer. At 1° it's about 1" above the marker on the block. But at 2500 rpm it's clear as day. So I have those numbers. We sanded down the paint on the balancer last year looking for a second timing mark. Would repainting it white with a black timing mark make it easier to see?

So at 2500 RPMs

the 0 was at 20°

the 6 was at 18°

the mark that would be 9 is at 15°

and the 12 was at 13°

I’m not clear on what you are saying with this.

So at 2500 RPMs ( are you saying you are holding 2500?)

the 0 was at 20° (then rotating the distributor & the mark is on 0, but the light says 20?)

the 6 was at 18° (& so on)

the mark that would be 9 is at 15° (& so on)

and the 12 was at 13°

If this is true, then I need to ask who & how was the motor setup when rebuild? What I mean by this is TDC may need to be established irrelevant of what the harmonic or timing tab say!

Edited May 5May 5 by Last Indian

So after letting it warm up again, I unplugged the vacuum and using the tach on the new timing gun I set idle at 500 rpm. With no luck on that timing mark, I plugged the vacuum back in. The engine jumped up to 900 rpm. I used the idle screw up the carb to turn the rpm up too 2500 rpm, again using tach on new gun. With no adjustments to the engine or dist. made I used the arrows on the timing light to walk the mark on the balancer down to the timing tab. with the mark on the balancer dead center of

0 on the tab the gun read 20, using the arrows to move the mark to

6 on the tab, the gun read 18, using the arrows to move the mark to

9 on the tab, the gun read15, using the arrows to move the mark to

12 on the tad, the gun read 13.

I didn't want to make any adjustments until after you had a chance to look at the numbers. I thought about turning the dist and trying for 32-34 at 2500rpm like you mentioned but I didn't want to confuse anything by changing things mid stream.

Wrongway

That timing light allows you to set the btdc

That is the number you have on the left of your screen

What I see your struggling with is that balancer mark needs to be clearly marked !

And so does top dead center on your timing maker tab.

Once you have both Cleary marked

Then ! Disconnect and plug the vacuum line

Set your flash new timing light to 6 this will give you 6 degrees before top dead center

With your timing light set at 6 the balancer mark will line up with zero on the timing tab ok 👌 … like last Indian said you can play with btdc all the way up to 12 degrees but start at 6 and try it there you will know when you have gone to far because the starter will kick back on you.

If you do not want to let the timing light set 6 degrees btdc set that figure on the left of the screen at zero !

Then look and mark 6 btdc on your timing mark tab , vacuum plugged

Run the motor at 500rpm and move the dissy till your mark on the harmonic balancer lines up with that 6 degree mark on the timing tab

Forget about “all indegrees “ at this stage

You can do that later

And I prefer to measure my balancer

Do the math and put a mark at 36 and make sure I am not going over that !

I am sure we have had a play with your timing before and had some odd issues

If setting her at 6 btdc makes it run worse

You need to stop

And find top dead center and check that the marks on the balancer and timing tab align . If they don’t

Some questions have to be asked !

Good luck mate 👍👍👍👍👍

Edited May 5May 5 by 64 kiwi boni

Thanks, and yes, we had all kinds of trouble with the timing on her last year. I do remember us confirming TDC back then and having to flip the cap around "backwards" for the vacuum advance to clear the corner of the block.

33 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

What I see your struggling with is that balancer mark needs to be clearly marked !

I agree, I used a black sharpie marker. Any other ideas?

35 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

you will know when you have gone to far because the starter will kick back on you.

If by "kick back on you" you mean the starter will reengage and scream, then she is already doing that sometimes toward the end of the dieseling.

40 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Do the math and put a mark at 36 and make sure I am not going over that !

Could you explain?

28 minutes ago, Wrongway said:

Thanks, and yes, we had all kinds of trouble with the timing on her last year. I do remember us confirming TDC back then and having to flip the cap around "backwards" for the vacuum advance to clear the corner of the block.

ah True !

11 minutes ago, Wrongway said:

If by "kick back on you" you mean the starter will reengage and scream, then she is already doing that sometimes toward the end of the dieseling.

No, the starter will struggle to crank the motor like a half flat battery

12 minutes ago, Wrongway said:

  51 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Do the math and put a mark at 36 and make sure I am not going over that !

Could you explain?

not yet ! play with your new test light first, and if you get used to using the advance setting on it, you can set it and not have to measure and mark the balancer

11 hours ago, Wrongway said:

I didn't want to make any adjustments until after you had a chance to look at the numbers. I thought about turning the dist and trying for 32-34 at 2500rpm like you mentioned but I didn't want to confuse anything by changing things mid stream.

Ok, I need to take my wife for some testing so this will be short. Again one thing at a time. Disconnect the vac adv. Set the rpm @ 500-600. Using the light rotate the distributor to bring the timing mark to 6-12 btdc. Lock the distributor down. Connect the vac adv, take a reading. Now disconnect the vac adv again. Now you need to see how well the mechanical adv is working. Using your light confirm the set @ 500-600 is still there. Now using the light to see advancement in the timing. Bring the rpm’s up, but not all at once. Using the throttle lever like you are applying the pedal. By about 2500rpm you should see full mechanical adv. note what that is. So what you should have is three numbers. Initial timing (6*-12*). Vacuum advance (15* or more). Mechanical advance ( 14*-15* maybe). Now at maybe 1500rpm with everything connected you should see at least 32-36 degrees of adv. tell me what you get & we’ll go from there.

Edited May 5May 5 by Last Indian

Ok, I also have a couple errands this morning so it will be a couple of hours. Ill report back as soon as I can. Thanks

I hope everything turns out well with your wife's test's.

Edited May 5May 5 by Wrongway

11 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Wrongway

That timing light allows you to set the btdc

That is the number you have on the left of your screen

What I see your struggling with is that balancer mark needs to be clearly marked !

And so does top dead center on your timing maker tab.

Once you have both Cleary marked

Then ! Disconnect and plug the vacuum line

Set your flash new timing light to 6 this will give you 6 degrees before top dead center

With your timing light set at 6 the balancer mark will line up with zero on the timing tab ok 👌 … like last Indian said you can play with btdc all the way up to 12 degrees but start at 6 and try it there you will know when you have gone to far because the starter will kick back on you.

If you do not want to let the timing light set 6 degrees btdc set that figure on the left of the screen at zero !

Then look and mark 6 btdc on your timing mark tab , vacuum plugged

Run the motor at 500rpm and move the dissy till your mark on the harmonic balancer lines up with that 6 degree mark on the timing tab

Forget about “all indegrees “ at this stage

You can do that later

And I prefer to measure my balancer

Do the math and put a mark at 36 and make sure I am not going over that !

I am sure we have had a play with your timing before and had some odd issues

If setting her at 6 btdc makes it run worse

You need to stop

And find top dead center and check that the marks on the balancer and timing tab align . If they don’t

Some questions have to be asked !

Good luck mate 👍👍👍👍👍

I didn’t get to read Kiwi’ s post till now while waiting with my wife. Dead on! Or bang on as Kiwi likes to say! My next thoughts are relevant to the TDC that Kiwi mentioned, but I didn’t go there yet. First the balancer could be off or have moved, that was why I asked who put the motor together.

So if this needs done do you have a dial indicator? This is the best method if you have what is needed, if not there are other ways.

So if I did this right, after warm up I disconnected the vacuum and set RPMs at 550. Moved the distributor to where the timing mark lined up on the timing tab at 6. Reconnected the vacuum and RPMs went up to 750 and timing mark dropped down to 3/4" below the 12 on the timing tab (not sure if that's important). I unhooked vacuum again and confirmed 550 RPMs. Then raised RPMs slowly to 2500. At 2500 with vacuum disconnected and using the arrows on the gun to move timing mark back to 6 the gun said 13°. I then hooked up the vacuum and went back up to 1500 RPMs, using the arrows again to move the timing mark to 6 on the tab, the gun read 28°

5 hours ago, Last Indian said:

First the balancer could be off or have moved, that was why I asked who put the motor together.

So if this needs done do you have a dial indicator? This is the best method if you have what is needed, if not there are other ways.

I put this engine together Indian, no sir I do not have a dial indicator. Sorry I justa seen this question.

Edited May 5May 5 by Wrongway

Also, the car was justa bout out of gas this morning so I picked up 5 gallons of mid grade and used the rest of the octane boost with it.

20 minutes ago, Wrongway said:

So if I did this right, after warm up I disconnected the vacuum and set RPMs at 550. Moved the distributor to where the timing mark lined up on the timing tab at 6. Reconnected the vacuum and RPMs went up to 750 and timing mark dropped down to 3/4" below the 12 on the timing tab (not sure if that's important). I unhooked vacuum again and confirmed 550 RPMs. Then raised RPMs slowly to 2500. At 2500 with vacuum disconnected and using the arrows on the gun to move timing mark back to 6 the gun said 13°. I then hooked up the vacuum and went back up to 1500 RPMs, using the arrows again to move the timing mark to 6 on the tab, the gun read 28°

I put this engine together Indian, no sir I do not have a dial indicator. Sorry I justa seen this question.

Ok! That’s all good! That should indicate about 34 degrees total advance. You are getting there! Doing what you’ve done is it still dieseling? If so to what degree?

Kiwi mentioned this so I’m just asking. Did you plug the vacuum line when disconnected? JustA so we know.

Edited May 5May 5 by Last Indian

2 hours ago, Wrongway said:

Also, the car was justa bout out of gas this morning so I picked up 5 gallons of mid grade and used the rest of the octane boost with it.

Dang you had $$$ for 5 gal of gas? For all the doom N gloom, I've yet to pay over $4 a gal