1964 bonneville rebuild

[Frosty]

10 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Pulled the belt line reveal off, after i had removed the interior trim and found 2 nuts and another in the boot👍 thanks guys,, i was thinking they where just clips pushed in.

i was lucky as its just surface rust only, so i have treated it and primed.

But the retaining clips are buggered, and i cant find anyone who is selling them, which brings me to this question. 

Being a 2 door hard top identical to a 64 impala, could the trim be the same... if so i found these guys sell the clips

  https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/1964/1964-chevrolet-impala-caprice-bel-air-rear-window-belt-reveal-molding-clip-kit-lower-c9082/81172

It could work - for $12 plus shipping and handling it might be worth a try.

Original Parts Group has a "universal kit" that is suppose to work with the Catalina as well - for $26 + S&H.  They have both in 1/2" and 3/8" kits. Your call.

https://www.opgi.com/moldings/hardware/universal-molding-fastener-kits6/clip-molding-universal-38-set-of-10-ch2096.html

https://www.opgi.com/catalina/1964/fasteners-hardware?facet=|CAT2ND%3aECS82

[Frosty]

7 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Pulled the broken steering wheel off and you can see where its not broken, it has been cut !!, there is cut marks like a jaws of life have chopped it

So i have straightened it, mig welded it and Last Indian has given me the idea i can fill it and file it. So i have tonight filled it with a 2 pot epoxy polymer and lets see tomorrow what its like and hopefully i can get too and start filing it.

i am guessing that the wheel is covered in an acrylic  plastic ??? its certainly not Bakelite.

 My plan is to sand it flat and paint it Black, but what paint to use on this material... and as always at the moment, do i have anything in the shelf that will do it... i am running out of supplies real quick  and we still have 2 more weeks of complete lock down, prime minister today is talking 23 April moving out of full lock down to a level 3... which means i can get back to work!! 

weee hee !! before my company goes completely bust 😡 

Since you are going to weld and repair the wheel with epoxy, you will also be sanding the snot out of the whole wheel to take down the epoxy - the sanding will add much needed mechanical adhesion. So I might try to find a plastic adhesion promoter if you are out of any sort self-etching primer. Then I would apply 2-4 coats of primer in the hopes to build it up enough to adequately fill and sand it - I know you said you are running low on supplies. Then paint away.

[Last Indian]

12 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Pulled the belt line reveal off, after i had removed the interior trim and found 2 nuts and another in the boot👍 thanks guys,, i was thinking they where just clips pushed in.

i was lucky as its just surface rust only, so i have treated it and primed.

But the retaining clips are buggered, and i cant find anyone who is selling them, which brings me to this question. 

Being a 2 door hard top identical to a 64 impala, could the trim be the same... if so i found these guys sell the clips

  https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/1964/1964-chevrolet-impala-caprice-bel-air-rear-window-belt-reveal-molding-clip-kit-lower-c9082/81172

Pretty sure those will fit! Typically GM trim clips across line in sister models.

[Last Indian]

2 hours ago, Frosty said:

Since you are going to weld and repair the wheel with epoxy, you will also be sanding the snot out of the whole wheel to take down the epoxy - the sanding will add much needed mechanical adhesion. So I might try to find a plastic adhesion promoter if you are out of any sort self-etching primer. Then I would apply 2-4 coats of primer in the hopes to build it up enough to adequately fill and sand it - I know you said you are running low on supplies. Then paint away.

That’s going to be a tuff piece to repair! I believe that those were a blend of acrylic & vinyl. The clear is acrylic the black is vinyl. Which is why so many would first crack between the clear & the black. Being to dissimilar materials finding something that will bond to both for the long term and use of the wheel may be an issue. 

[64 kiwi boni]

5 hours ago, Last Indian said:

That’s going to be a tuff piece to repair! I believe that those were a blend of acrylic & vinyl. The clear is acrylic the black is vinyl. Which is why so many would first crack between the clear & the black. Being to dissimilar materials finding something that will bond to both for the long term and use of the wheel may be an issue. 

I think your bang on Last Indian, i tried a test with acetone and the clear melted easy as, but the black not so.

hope the expoy polymer works if not nothing really losted 

[64 kiwi boni]

First layer on yesterday was Hard this morning but it needs a second layer and i will leave it for a good 24 hours to cure.

[JUSTA6]

19 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Pulled the belt line reveal off, after i had removed the interior trim and found 2 nuts and another in the boot👍 thanks guys,, i was thinking they where just clips pushed in.

i was lucky as its just surface rust only, so i have treated it and primed.

But the retaining clips are buggered, and i cant find anyone who is selling them, which brings me to this question. 

Being a 2 door hard top identical to a 64 impala, could the trim be the same... if so i found these guys sell the clips

  https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/product/1964/1964-chevrolet-impala-caprice-bel-air-rear-window-belt-reveal-molding-clip-kit-lower-c9082/81172

Here ya go...

https://www.opgi.com/bonneville/1964/fasteners-hardware/exterior-clips-screws/

See now I was beatin to the link.

Edited April 9, 2020 by JUSTA6

[Frosty]

Timing JUSTA - timing!!! 😂 

[64 kiwi boni]

On 4/10/2020 at 10:30 AM, JUSTA6 said:

Here ya go...

https://www.opgi.com/bonneville/1964/fasteners-hardware/exterior-clips-screws/

See now I was beatin to the link.

yip no.... wont work, these clips are angled to the body so a universal clip wont work, i have seen nothing "pontiac" thats any were like the trim clips i have.

the closest is the 64 impala ones. so i think i will just order them and fingers crossed they are right, like Last Indian has said, gm standard belt line hopefully🙄

[Last Indian]

10 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

yip no.... wont work, these clips are angled to the body so a universal clip wont work, i have seen nothing "pontiac" thats any were like the trim clips i have.

the closest is the 64 impala ones. so i think i will just order them and fingers crossed they are right, like Last Indian has said, gm standard belt line hopefully🙄

That’s my experience kiwi! Way back into the mid “60” I would go junkyard hunting for parts with buddies when we were racing and the interchangeability between Chevy, Buick, Olds & Pontiac, both mechanically and body was incredible. 

[JUSTA6]

Ok  look at some of this.  You would know what might be close.   The chart should be helpful.

https://www.google.de/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faxonautoliterature.com%2F1964-Pontiac-Body-Molding-and-Clips-Parts-Catalog-Reprint-P25504.aspx&psig=AOvVaw0ukcg3tlco5DNFLTE5UJEc&ust=1586879045382000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=2ahUKEwjIrNef3-XoAhVE66wKHTDCBxAQr4kDegUIARD5Aw

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/dck-267?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm9D0BRCMARIsAIfvfIbieBcjH6LJcK-4LkBGrqq859pBm0CyeBmIAyBMn_n0YOE-T_yr1ZMaAiGAEALw_wcB

[64 kiwi boni]

Things have slowed down thanks to the weather turning to sh_t and even priming the steering wheel has been a pita !

 i have had to revert to bringing my work into the lounge and getting some warmth 

[Last Indian]

16 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Things have slowed down thanks to the weather turning to sh_t and even priming the steering wheel has been a pita !

 i have had to revert to bringing my work into the lounge and getting some warmth 

That is not what we mean in the states as a Hot Rod!

[Frosty]

1 hour ago, Last Indian said:

That is not what we mean in the states as a Hot Rod!

[64 kiwi boni]

7 hours ago, Last Indian said:

That is not what we mean in the states as a Hot Rod!

Last Indian.... i have a whole new level of appreciation for what you did with your steering wheel !!!

 i have spent sooo many hours just sanding !! And i am just in primer stage😡

it would have been so much easier to just buy a after market wheel 🙄

[JUSTA6]

45 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Last Indian.... i have a whole new level of appreciation for what you did with your steering wheel !!!

 i have spent sooo many hours just sanding !! And i am just in primer stage😡

it would have been so much easier to just buy a after market wheel 🙄

Looks great , can't see any sand scratches.

[64 kiwi boni]

6 hours ago, JUSTA6 said:

Looks great , can't see any sand scratches.

Yip justa6, pretty sure you cant see any scratches from 13,553 kms awayHAHA

[Frosty]

Touche!

 

[Last Indian]

22 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Last Indian.... i have a whole new level of appreciation for what you did with your steering wheel !!!

 i have spent sooo many hours just sanding !! And i am just in primer stage😡

it would have been so much easier to just buy a after market wheel 🙄

It can be an arduous task! The one thing I remember learning from doing the wood for the interiors starting with the Camaro was how I could take a piece of hard wood and sculpt it, sand and keep sanding it finer and finer and then polish it like a piece of metal! Then it would glisten just like fine piece of hand crafted furniture from the old days, but with no clear finish of any kind! Just bare wood! I kind of knew you could do that with a real hard piece of hard wood root, but not with just the regular hard wood. That was pretty cool!

Edited April 17, 2020 by Last Indian

[64 kiwi boni]

5 days, 3 coats of primer, 3 times wet sand just to get to this point!! pita 🙄

 Its been a nice sunny day so it was a good chance to get top coats on and start drying.

Not sure if i colour sand it and clear coat it too, guess i will wait till its nice and hard and see what the shine is like🙄

[JUSTA6]

Nice job!

[Frosty]

On 4/25/2020 at 9:28 PM, 64 kiwi boni said:

5 days, 3 coats of primer, 3 times wet sand just to get to this point!! pita 🙄

 Its been a nice sunny day so it was a good chance to get top coats on and start drying.

Not sure if i colour sand it and clear coat it too, guess i will wait till its nice and hard and see what the shine is like🙄

You didn't say how many beers it took to get to this point. That's an important measurement too mate! 

Awesome job!

Edited April 27, 2020 by Frosty

[64 kiwi boni]

7 hours ago, Frosty said:

You didn't say how many beers it took to get to this point. That's an important measurement too mate! 

Awesome job!

Haha, yes Frosty..... many many beers, would have been cheaper to buy a brand new one!!😜

Wheel back on....and i am not sure i like it!!🙄🙄

I think i will hunt down a factory one, but it will do for now!

 

SO!!! IF ANYONE HAS A BLACK/CLEAR WHEEL OR COMES A CROSSED ONE PLEASE PM ME 

[JUSTA6]

Sure looks good from the pic.

[Frosty]

1 hour ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Haha, yes Frosty..... many many beers, would have been cheaper to buy a brand new one!!😜

Kiwi.....I always start with a brand new beer. I never trust where the old ones have been, especially around my mates. Everybody knows that! 

 

The wheel looks awesome - especially considering what you started with.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Frosty