GTO flashbacks

[JUSTA6]

[Frosty]

I never saw the Pontiac body drop, but I got to see the Buick body drop many times when I was at Buick City. It was amazingly fast, especially when you think about full size cars like Electras, LeSabres, and the Centurions. Not just the Regals and Centurys.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Frosty

[JUSTA6]

[Fitzy]

Those pics are great. I like how all the workers are wearing hornrims (but they're probably safety glasses) and have their shirts neatly tucked into their pants. If I tucked my shirt into my pants, my stomach, pants & shirt would all complain loudly. No tattoos, piercings or anyone sitting around playing on their phone either! No gay pride flags, no signs demanding that you be safe, no women which is a pity but that's how life was in the 60s when the nuclear family was still a thing. The man would work all day and come home to a clean house and dinner would be in the oven. Sounds really sexist, doesn't it, but that's how we all grew up.

[Last Indian]

11 hours ago, Fitzy said:

Those pics are great. I like how all the workers are wearing hornrims (but they're probably safety glasses) and have their shirts neatly tucked into their pants. If I tucked my shirt into my pants, my stomach, pants & shirt would all complain loudly. No tattoos, piercings or anyone sitting around playing on their phone either! No gay pride flags, no signs demanding that you be safe, no women which is a pity but that's how life was in the 60s when the nuclear family was still a thing. The man would work all day and come home to a clean house and dinner would be in the oven. Sounds really sexist, doesn't it, but that's how we all grew up.

Don’t apologize for something that was closer to Gods laws than now! Not preaching or being all biblical, but read Deuteronomy 22:5 or 1 Corinthians 16:13 or Leviticus 18:22. I could give more, but the point is men are supposed to be men & act like men & women are to act like women! It was much more that why back then. Part, just part of the problems of the today is that all went away more & more with each new generation.

DON’T miss interpret the above! A man is to treat a woman like a precious jewel, be fair, be kind not degrading. Seek her council in matters of proper importance.

If you don’t believe in God, than you can ignore all of this! Maybe that’s the problem of today! 
 

Thanks JustA! Great info & pics!

On 6/7/2022 at 12:50 PM, JUSTA6 said:

 

[64 kiwi boni]

4 hours ago, Last Indian said:

Seek her council in matters of proper importance.

Hmm, this is a grey area for me Last Indian !!! 

[Last Indian]

22 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Hmm, this is a grey area for me Last Indian !!! 

Oh you know! Should we have fries or chips dear? No not baked potato! 

[64 kiwi boni]

Hehe !!! Oh that clears that up !!! 
so I can give the car related questions a miss then ! Haha 

[JUSTA6]

56 minutes ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Hehe !!! Oh that clears that up !!! 
so I can give the car related questions a miss then ! Haha 

Yea like how many more can I bring home before your head explodes HONEY?

[Last Indian]

13 hours ago, JUSTA6 said:

Yea like how many more can I bring home before your head explodes HONEY?

Yeah, like that Kiwi!

[JUSTA6]

[JUSTA6]

On 9/8/2022 at 8:52 AM, JUSTA6 said:

Spent time in the pit attaching the rear shocks for a couple weeks when I was LOANED to Plant8 assembly from the engine plant.

[JUSTA6]

 

Pontiac History - How John DeLorean Named "The Judge"

Contrary to popular belief, the now famous name "The Judge" never actually had a name during its development cycle. It was known internally in memos and correspondence as "What's Its Name". The original proposal, consisting of a 350 H.O. powered Tempest, was presented at the Magazine Writers' Show on July 11th, 1968. It was announced under Option Code WS9, a tongue-in-cheek reference that sounds a little like "What's Its Name". Though the press was enthusiastic, John DeLorean was not sold on the idea. He stated that a "cheap" version of a GTO would hurt regular GTO sales and the whole purpose of this car was to help GTO sales.

The proposal was revamped and eventually would become an option on the 1969 GTO, featuring a 400 cid Ram Air engine, bright Carousel Red paint, and a unique rear spoiler. This appealed to DeLorean because the car would draw people into showrooms, and whether a buyer chose this car or a regular GTO, it still meant a GTO sale. But the car was still unnamed.

DeLorean held a weekly lunch meeting with members of his design team. In September 1968, Bill Porter, one of the Chief Designers, said that during one of those meetings the conversation turned to "What's Its Name" that they were working on. Now this was at a time when the popular TV show "Laugh-In" and the phrase "Here Come The Judge" (heard often in the TV show) had become the hottest catch phrase of the summer. DeLorean and his design team were walking to the cafeteria discussing "What's Its Name" when DeLorean paused and said something to the effect, "They keep saying 'Here Come The Judge', well….we'll give them The Judge!"

And that was the end of that. DeLorean had spoken.

Now for a logo. Bill Porter (Chief Designer) was looking through one of the many art magazines that were inside the design studio, and one in particular had an ad for Carter's Ink. Porter liked the heavy-bottom style "psychedelic look" of the font. He sketched out what would become the now famous Judge logo.

 

The Judge logo you see above was sketched by Bill Porter back in 2016. It literally took him about 5 minutes to do this. Bill is a true artist, not just a great automotive designer, and his contributions to the Pontiac Motor Division cannot be overemphasized.

Edited January 6, 2023 by JUSTA6

[Frosty]

Justa is correct regarding the name of the Judge. Internally, Pontiac called the future "Judge" project the "E.T." (for Elapsed Time). It was an attempt to compete with Roadrunner since Roadrunner sales that were eating into GTO sales by being a cheaper, no frills muscle car. Pontiac wanted a share of that entry level muscle market too.

The E.T. project recommended a 350 H.O. engine, a 3-speed manual, front bench seat, and no chrome trim rims to reduce the cost of the car to get closer to the Roadrunner's price point. DeLorean nixed everything from the E.T. project for the Judge, except for the chrome trim rings. So the Judge actually costs more than a standard GTO, not less. However, a real GTO Judge was not built with chrome trim rings either. Also note that a lot of the E.T. recommendations showed up in the form of the Pontiac GT-37 several years later - at the end of the muscle car era.