20 minutes ago, Frosty said:

Pffhhhttt......as if. 

That's your heir's job pal! 

Normally I would say you’re right! One problem! That heir is my daughter, single daughter! 46 year old single daughter. She likes cars; yes, but if we go back to to top where this started, women and interior cleanliness! Well you see where it’s going to end up! 😳 It will probably end up a fire sale. She would have no idea or patience! The tools, carbide tooling, machine tools and machinist tools alone are worth a pretty chuck a change. She wouldn’t  care!

Edited April 14, 20206 yr by Last Indian

3 hours ago, Frosty said:

That's your heir's job pal!

LOL 🤣

 

 

A pencil sharpener!!! 😁. Sweet! (thought they went the way of the dinosaur). Funny thing, I still have a fully functional electric one in my office 🤪

14 hours ago, Last Indian said:

Normally I would say you’re right! One problem! That heir is my daughter, single daughter! 46 year old single daughter. She likes cars; yes, but if we go back to to top where this started, women and interior cleanliness! Well you see where it’s going to end up! 😳 It will probably end up a fire sale. She would have no idea or patience! The tools, carbide tooling, machine tools and machinist tools alone are worth a pretty chuck a change. She wouldn’t  care!

...and your point is???? LOL!  This is the price we pay for OUR toys.

You aren't going to be selling any of that stuff any time soon either. Your neighbors will get a helluva deal on Craftsman and machinist tools, and car care products once you are gone. Oh and a pencil sharpener.

I"m surprised I didn't see a cabinet or wall mounted bottle opener too. 

15 hours ago, Stewy said:

LOL 🤣

 

 

A pencil sharpener!!! 😁. Sweet! (thought they went the way of the dinosaur). Funny thing, I still have a fully functional electric one in my office 🤪

Yes, I’m old! But mine works when the power goes down or there are no batteries!😁

4 hours ago, Frosty said:

...and your point is???? LOL!  This is the price we pay for OUR toys.

You aren't going to be selling any of that stuff any time soon either. Your neighbors will get a helluva deal on Craftsman and machinist tools, and car care products once you are gone. Oh and a pencil sharpener.

I"m surprised I didn't see a cabinet or wall mounted bottle opener too. 

I have channel locks, 10 pair, multiple sizes, no problem!

Thought this might be of interest. If so I can do some other products.

Ok, I know everybody has there own thoughts, opinions, likes & dislikes. This isn’t about that! This is just for informational knowledge. Stewy got me thinking about how folks approach cleaning a car, inside & or out & related often times to the products they use. Many of us use products that we know nothing about other than we think we like the way they work, feel or smell! Maybe everybody else said this is a great product.

Having spent most of my career in the automotive chemical industry I tended to approach things a little different. Even when I use a new product and I like it I need to know it’s chemical structure, as much as I can. Some products are harder than others because if they use trade secrets than that makes it tuff, but when they use certain chemicals they have to disclose them and in some cases even in a trade secret situation they can’t really hide the odor of some chemistries, if you know what they smell like.

Here’s an example. Treating neoprene rubber weatherstrip trim (EPDM) vs windshield rubber trim or belt line trim, (in most cases neoprene). While they are similar in many ways they are uniquely different. One of those ways are the plasticizer they use. This makes what each one will absorb and react with different. Than the manner in which a treatment chemistry is formulated will also determine it positive or negative impact on the material. 
Black Magic tire wet is probably not something most of you use on your cars or tires! Yet for EPDM weatherstripping, doors trunk and hood it’s the only thing I use! Why, because it uses a particular silicone chemistry, not silicon, that coupled with the dispersant make it ideal to keep that material soft and protected and keeps it from getting those fractures lines you see in that material. But it is a terrible product for tires! 
As a general rule I don’t use it on windshield trim or belt line trim, except maybe once every couple years. In those cases I use a specific brush. I paint it on and just let it sit, it doesn’t really soak in. It just sits there, this is because of the elastomer. After a day I go back and wipe it off, the surface will than have a more subtle feel, not as hard and blacker in appearance.
 
Sun roof, this is a whole different animal. Some of you may have had one leak. That would be because GM in general uses a EPDM material with a different elastomer, to withstand more heat, but without the proper treatment it oxidizes, gets hard and shrinks. Yes, they sell a treatment to maintain this trim, but at best it only extends the life of this trim. Using the Black Magic tire wet maybe once a year will bring this trim to life! But it needs done in a specific way. Open the glass, using a high quality ½ brush, paint on the tire wet, let it set, in about 15 minutes wipe off what’s left. Close the glass, if the glass closes and opens without sticking, the rubber has degraded, shrunk and you will need to do this again in a few weeks and so on till the glass doesn’t want to open. Once the glass doesn’t what to open, whither the first time or later on, you when need to take a second ½ brush and apply talcum powder to the trim. Close the glass it will close and open nicely. After that apply your regular treatment like usual. 
 

Edited April 15, 20206 yr by Last Indian

Good info Last Indian.

Since you mentioned sun roofs....would you say that GM used the same EPDM material for both 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen Camaro and Firebird  to seal T-tops or do you think GM may have used different materials over the course of time? I know leaking or whistling T-tops is a constant complaint a lot of guys have with these cars.

1 hour ago, Frosty said:

Good info Last Indian.

Since you mentioned sun roofs....would you say that GM used the same EPDM material for both 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gen Camaro and Firebird  to seal T-tops or do you think GM may have used different materials over the course of time? I know leaking or whistling T-tops is a constant complaint a lot of guys have with these cars.

Well, my guess would be that from the 2nd generation to the 4th they are different, not sure where the 3rd falls. 2nd gen used a synthetic neoprene foam, I think (see below). This foam had a very thin skin that covered it. It was used for doors, trunk lids, T-tops Etc. The two main problems with this material was, first if you cut scraped or ripped the skin it was junk! It would then absorb water like a sponge. Secondly it had a bad tendency to take comprehension set over time and no chemistry would return it to normal. Mainly because the cell structure under the skin, towards the center of the piece had collapsed. By the 4th gen I’m pretty sure we were at EPDM weatherstripped. This may not be 100% accurate, with respect to materials for the different generations though, it has been a long time since I’ve seen the different generations up close to inspect all the specifics. I remember that I found a newer trunk weatherstripe from a different GM, but I don’t remember which, it could have even been from the “74”, but it wasn’t neoprene foam it was EPDM. Yet it had the right profile for the “69” trunk, so I bought a roll from the dealer and replaced what I had.

Edited April 15, 20206 yr by Last Indian