Veterans! I’m Sorry!

[Last Indian]

I remember Veterans Day, Memorial Day, the forth of July & December 7th with great respect & fondness! I still do! So when our friend JustA6 posted a tribute to Veterans Day it made me happy & smile, but only for a moment! Why? Because this isn’t my America any more! All I here about is indoctrination, hatred & denial of proven facts! It’s is happening all over the US! In schools, work places, the news media, both in print as well as TV. But we the people are allowing this! If we falter to teach our offspring as well as others what we know the real factual provable truth is, then we bare some, if not the majority of the blame. 

I will point too what I believe one of the big reasons this is. Most people just don’t know history! Case in point! When do you believe the United States outlawed the importing of slaves into the country? Do you know what the Missouri Compromise was? Do you know what the Kansas Nebraska act was? Best of all do you know what side did what? Do you know who was the first slave owner in this country? 

What was the bloodiest battle in American history? What was the deadliest war in American history? Do you know what was in Pearl Harbor 1 days before the attack, & who knew to make sure it was gone before the attack?

Do you know who Robert Owen was & what he was responsible for? Do you know what year the United States became a county?

Nothing is so sad as to watch the greatest prophesied nation in all of history, yes the United States was prophesied, self destruct by the hand of its own citizens! Knowing those citizens only had to give no more than a small measure of effort compared to what those men & women gave in all the wars conflicts & police actions through out history!

We all cling to our beloved Pontiac’s while the nation falls down around us! But as this continues, you may soon not be able to do anything with them except stare at it!
 

I apologize to every veteran living & deceased for a sacrifice so great & for an effort from those citizens so unappreciated it’s disgraceful! 

[Frosty]

“A generation which ignores history has no past — and no future.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

[Last Indian]

7 hours ago, Frosty said:

“A generation which ignores history has no past — and no future.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

Most poignant my friend! Especially now in this time! I personally can’t help but think, that if those that don’t know the answers to those questions did know them; that they would approach life from a different direction! But that’s just me.

[Frosty]

Last Indian, I was caught off guard by your mention of the your reference to the Missouri Compromise and the Kansas Nebraska Act. I had not honestly thought about them since high school history. Most of these further enraged the slavery issue rather than solve it.

The bloodiest battle in American history, for me, is the Battle of Antietam with over 29000 causalities.

The aircraft carriers put to sea just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Most feel that if they had been in port, WWII would have been very different. Clearly that was one of the Japanese objectives of the attack. It was the fact that these carriers were at sea directly lead to victory at Midway and our ability to sink most of the Japanese carrier fleet in one battle, crippling Japan for the rest of the war.

The US became a country when:

1. Declaration of Independence: July 4, 1776

2. Cornwallis surrenders in April 1781, ending the Revolutionary War

3. Continental Congress ratifies the Paris Treaty with Britain: January 14, 1784

The mantra that those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it is very true.

[Last Indian]

I would expect nothing less from you Frosty! Yes they did just that! One party tried even then to end slavery the other side used even tool they could to keep it. The first slave owner in this country was a black man! Fact! His name was Anthony Johnson. He came to the US in 1621 as an indentured servant. Paid off his debt, became a free man, was given 200 acres in Virginia by the government for paying off his debt. Bought 5 indentured servants, 4 black 1 white. Make a long story short he sued in court to retain one of the black servants as a permanent slave! He won the case in court & became the first slave owner in US history & the court ruled no whites could own slaves of any color. That ruling lasted for about 20 years.

By far yes Antietam. Yes the carriers, but there are vast amounts of proof that the White House knew of the attack weeks before, that’s why the carriers were moved.

We became a country Sept.3 1783 when the peace treaty between the US & Britain was signed in Paris.

I would encourage you to look up Robert Owen, a Welsh textile magnet! He is actually the impetus that was responsible for the Democratic Party through Andrew Jackson. There are actual documents that show these two met more than once not long before Jackson change the Jacksonian party into the Democratic Party.

FYI, Owen was a socialist & even Karl Marx based his Marxism on Owens principles!

Edited November 17, 2022 by Last Indian

[Frosty]

Owen also proposed the idea of the 8-hour work day. 8 hours work, 8 hours relaxation, 8 hours of sleep.

To you're point about the carriers, yes the US suspected the Japanese might attack since they were not happy with how they were treated in their want/need to expand empirely in the Far East. It was a question of when. That we didn't know. By the time Midway came around, we had broken some of their codes and figured out that Midway was going to be their next target and prepared for it.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Frosty

[Last Indian]

7 hours ago, Frosty said:

Owen also proposed the idea of the 8-hour work day. 8 hours work, 8 hours relaxation, 8 hours of sleep.

To you're point about the carriers, yes the US suspected the Japanese might attack since they were not happy with how they were treated in their want/need to expand empirely in the Far East. It was a question of when. That we didn't know. By the time Midway came around, we had broken some of their codes and figured out that Midway was going to be their next target and prepared for it.

Frosty, first to be clear, my statement of “I would expect nothing less” was a compliment! I hope you knew that. I know you are well read & I meant it in that way.

Yes Owen had many beneficial ideologies. Yes Midway was a definite turning point in the Pacific theater! And we could discuss both in great detail I have no doubt. 

Still & more so to the original point is that we all have our ideals, beliefs & concepts of what we desire things to be! And we are entitled to that by the constitution & the very essence of what America is, as by Gods law. So every single veteran whoever fought on an American citizen behave, did so without question for that right, irrespective of that citizen viewpoint! That goes for even the Civil War veterans of the south! They fought for American citizens too! You could disagree with their leadership at the time, but not the sacrifice made! We needn’t look any further for proof of that fact then Lincoln’s Gettysburg address.

I know you agree, I’m just saying it so it’s out there.

[Frosty]

Last Indian, I took your original statement as compliment. You and I have been on similar wave lengths as long as we've known each other. I have not disputed anything you've said.

I was talking with a good friend of mine just before the mid-term election. He's a Vietnam Veteran. He personally knows our local US Rep. incumbent (a Democrat). He watched the guy grow up, was a baseball coach to him, throw footballs in the back yard with him, etc. But won't vote for him now. This is because the US Rep decided to vote for pardoning/giving amnesty to those that fled to Canada to avoid the draft. My buddy feels this is an insult to all that did the right thing when Uncle Same called upon them and served.....and to those that made the ultimate sacrifice and have their names on a wall in D.C.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Frosty

[Last Indian]

2 hours ago, Frosty said:

I was talking with a good friend of mine just before the mid-term election. He's a Vietnam Veteran. He personally knows our local US Rep. incumbent (a Democrat). He watch the guy grow up, was a baseball coach to him, throw footballs in the back yard with him, etc. But won't vote for him now. This is because the US Rep decided to vote for pardoning/giving amnesty to those that fled to Canada to avoid the draft. My buddy feels this is an insult to all that did the right thing when Uncle Same called upon them and served.....and to those that made the ultimate sacrifice and have their names on a wall in D.C.

I couldn’t agree with him more! In 1970 I was to be drafted. The TET offense was in full swing & my draft number was low. I can’t say that there wasn’t any trepidation, but I was ready & willing to serve. I know that sounds easy to say when I never did, but it is true. When I went for my physical they took one look at my knee & said no! Put him on 4H status. I think I had said this before, but if not then here it is. I started as a freshman as a first string varsity halfback. Long story short the third game of my sophomore year ended that very abruptly. The damage to my knee was extensive. In time it took three surgeries to make it right. The draft physical was after the first two & the knee was still doubtful for ever being normal again. Since that time I have always felt that somehow I owed all those men who did go the utmost in gratitude, for doing what, at that time I could not! To me those that turned & ran to Canada were every bit the coward as the one who deserts in the heat of battle! 

[Frosty]

I agree 100% with you Last Indian. Cowardace in the face of the enemy is not to be rewarded. I am still scratching my head over why Jane Fonda has never been prosecuted for aiding and abetting the enemy. Hanoi was never a tourist destination in the 60s and 70s.

 

[Frosty]

I think Last Indian will find this video interesting. I certainly remember this show and What's My Line. Most of the panel were on both.

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Frosty