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    Pontiac HOF

    in General Pontiac Discussion

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    I went to the Pypes Open House Car Show in Hatfield PA today (6/30). The highlight of the show (as far as I'm concerned) was the inaugural unveiling of the Pontiac Hall of Fame. There was to be a banquet and induction ceremony later in the evening at the GTOAA convention down the road, but this the first time the public has seen it. I couldn't get a picture of the whole monument because of all the folks there, but I think you can piece it together from the pictures and see the initial 10 hall of famers. Future Pontiac HOF Milt Schornack was there also.

     

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    Rescuing a Rare and Powerful—and Wrecked—1965 Pontiac 2+2

    in General Pontiac Discussion

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    On 5/10/2018 at 9:11 AM, Frosty said:

    stratman, if they did indeed swap firewall data plates, that is a huge no-no, but often hard to prove (unless you are silly enough to admit it!). Many states consider that fraud. That is like turning a Lemans into a GTO Judge, or a Mustang into a Shelby GT500.

    Now this is where, in my mind, it gets a little complicated.

    The 2+2 was a trim option off the Catalina, much like the original GTO was a trim option off the original '64 Tempest Lemans. So clearly getting another Catalina and making it a clone 2+2 is okay - so long as you present it that way. Now if the donor Catalina body and frame used in the restoration were also a 2+2 optioned Catalina, then there is no harm / no foul. We are kind of left wondering about that.

    As I said, swapping data plates is indeed a No-No. Now since this is a trim option that we are talking about and both cars are Catalinas is there any real harm here (this is a philosophical question)? Is turning a base '93 Buick Roadmaster in a Limited Edition cause any harm? Does turning a Formula or Trans Am into a 1LE package cause harm? Food for thought. One of the reasons people get upset with clones is the misrepresentation of the car - what it is versus what it appears to be, and the appearance (of an original) is theoretically worth substantially more - hence the fraud.

    You are absolutely right, Frosty... the 2+2 was an option on the Catalina as the GTO was an option on the LeMans in '65. The article did say he added a number of options that weren't on the PHS docs also. Perhaps the donor car was a triple black Catalina 2-door hardtop, then the data plate would match except for the VIN. 

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    New to the Forum Multiple GTO Owner

    in Introduce Yourself

    Posted · Edited by stratman

    1 hour ago, Fred Ashmore said:

    Any help here explaining my PHS,?? It doesn’t say anything about who it was shipped too?? This is an early car and it confuses me why there’s no dealer destination on it?? Or name

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    Hi Fred and :welcome:

    In the upper left-hand corner there a "zone" and "dealer" box... that is where it was shipped to, but unfortunately you would need someone who knows the codes to decipher that for you.  I found out the dealer my '68 was sent to by ordering a reproduction window sticker. Mike Noun is the best, you just send him a copy of your billing history. He knows all the codes and will make you the most authentic window sticker out there.  Here's his web site:

    http://musclecarfilms.com/PontiacWindowSticker

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    Rescuing a Rare and Powerful—and Wrecked—1965 Pontiac 2+2

    in General Pontiac Discussion

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    7 hours ago, Frosty said:

    Thanks guys.

    As big, full-size Pontiacs go, the 2+2 is one of my favorites. Hard to beat a Bonne, Catalina, or Grand Prix convertible, but the 2+2 were awesome full size muscle cars.

    I just wish the 2+2 Grand Prix of the 80s came with something more than a 305 V8.

    I'm right there with you Frosty... the 2+2, 1965 specificity, is is one of my all-time favs also. I have a question for you, Frosty... The article says that except for the right front fender, right front door, and trunk lid, all the other body parts and frame came from the donor Cat. If that is true, then he would have had to swap firewall data plates. I have always been under the impression that it a BIG no-no to do that, but, judging from all the awards the car has garnered, it must be ok. Am I wrong then?

    The 1961-1963 Trophy 4 / Indy 4 Engine

    in Pontiac Forgotten and Future Classics

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    Excellent and thorough article , Frosry! :cheers:  The "Indy 4" is indeed a forgotten engine, thanks for the reminder. When I was a kid, my older brother (by seven years) had a '62 Tempest with the 4 cylinder. That's all I remember about it, because he had an Austin Healey 3000 before the Tempest and I couldn't believe he got rid of the really cool Healey  and got this (in my 12 year old kid's opinion, lol) 4 cylinder grandma car...This was the first Pontiac in the family and I was not impressed! The Healey of course, being British, required constant "tinkering", and I think my brother got sick and tired of it and just wanted something that was cheap, reliable transportation as he was in college at Virginia Tech. Alas... no more being the cool kid riding around in an Austin Healy, lol!

    Here's Mickey Thompson's Indy 4 racers...

    http://www.tachrev.com/NHRA_Museumpg4.htm

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    2018 NHRA Arizona Nationals

    in Other Autos

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    On 3/1/2018 at 9:25 AM, Frosty said:

    Next time you are in Chandler then?

    I know I'd write that check at least once in my life. Same for the Petty Driving Experience.

    It's really rather amazing how large an area of Arizona, New Mexico, and Utah that the Navajo Nation actually controls.

    I will seriously consider it next year.

     

    You are right, there is a great deal of Indian land out there. Some of the reservations you can fit a medium sized state in!

    2018 NHRA Arizona Nationals

    in Other Autos

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    On 3/1/2018 at 12:55 PM, Last Indian said:

    Just to clarify, when I said we raced together at a couple tracks I didn’t mean to imply I raced him or even Funny cars. I was a bracket racer, but at that time I was helping a guy Larry Nagel with a car called the Pocket Rocket. It was in the development stages then. It ultimately had a rocket engine in it, yes Hydrogen! Anyway even then, Force was impressive.

    The Rocket has recently been resurrected! It is a tiny car as you can see!

     

     

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    So cool, Last Indian! It is small!.. looks like 3/4 scale Vega. Do you remember the time and mph?

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