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7 hours ago, The_Lyonnist said:
Do you have a great (and good quality) photo of Pontianc cars in NASCAR in 2003?
I don't, but you can google "2003 Pontiac NASCAR" and select "Images". There are quite a few good photos.
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5 hours ago, SPRINT 6 said:
A DAY AT THE HENRY FORD; Spent the day in Detroit while heading home from TC. Thought I would share some transportation highlights from the museum.
Enjoy!
Thanks for posting the pictures from the cruise-in and the HF Museum, really nice photos!
Seeing the Jim Clark Lotus brings back fond memories from my youth. One of my slot cars was the #82 Lotus, (I think it was a Cox). I was within walking distance of the local slot car track (Falls Church) and I misspent much of my youth there, lol.
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On 7/31/2018 at 6:50 PM, SPRINT 6 said:
Just uploaded some pic's of a Cruise-In I stumbled upon while visiting family in TC and thought I would share. The Firebird broke my heart when I came around to see the missing OHC 6 😥
I bet it did... you are the OHC 6's graetest champion.
That Lincoln MK. II is beautiful. Always liked these cars, never see them much.
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I love this car, one of my favorites... Congrats SPRINT 6!
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Two great looking Pontiacs! Great to have another Virginian on board.
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Here are all the drivers in NASCAR that have won in Pontiacs...
https://www.foxsports.com/nascar/gallery/pontiacs-greatest-nascar-drivers-042909
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Thanks for posting the pics, JUSTA... looks like a great show despite the random day/time.
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WOW! She's a beauty all right! 🏆
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More nice pictures, JUSTA. I really like the '74 ('75?) Grand Am. I haven't seen a first gen GA in I don't know how long, especially one this nice! Also like the "66 Bonneville wagon.
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Nice pictures Frosty! Always love pictures of Pontiacs, even though I currently don't own one, they are still #1 in my heart.
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IMHO, since it has never been modified, I would restore it to factory original. You may have a somewhat rare '71 GP, considering the ton of options on the build sheet.... In particular the L75 455HO motor and positraction.
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2 hours ago, Frosty said:
A few things to consider stratman.
1. GM's unwritten #1 rule for all of it's divisions - thou shall not beat Corvette
2. When GM killed the Fiero, GM had finished reorganizing into it's BOC (Buick-Olds-Cadillac) and CPC (Chevrolet-Pontiac-GM of Canada) car groups. Guess which execs were running CPC? Yup former Chevy execs.
3. Pontiac was rumored to be coming out with a turbocharged V6 for the planned (but never built) 2nd-gen Fiero. In the anemic 80s, this would have rivaled Corvette plus it would have been still mid-engined.
4. It was Chevy that insisted that the Fiero use parts from the old Chevette bin (e.g. the brakes) rather than develop all new parts for the car.
5. The FIero had several recalls on them, mainly risk of engine compartment fires. That didn't do its reputation any good either.
It sounds like Pontiac had few champions in the GM castle, pretty much a Chevrolet dictatorship. It's no wonder GM went into bankruptcy in the 2000's and Pontiac was the first to go. I wish Bob Lutz had been there a couple of decades earlier, I think he would have put up a fight.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that Fiero's had a tendency to catch fire... Not exactly a good selling point, lol!
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11 hours ago, Frosty said:
stratman, Chevy always, ALWAYS gets what they want versus its sister divisions at GM and always will for the foreseeable future. It was Chevrolet that killed the Fiero! They bitched when the Buick GNX was faster than the Corvette in 1987 and the 1989 Turbo Trans Am was almost as fast the Corvette.
That's right... I had forgotten about the Fiero! Pontiac finally got the Fiero right in 1988, and then, BOOM!, it was cancelled. I never realized it was Chevy's fault- were they afraid it had gotten too good and was going to cut into Corvette sales?
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That stinks... the other GM divisions always seemed to have their way against Pontiac. Pontiac was glad to share their engine technology with Chevrolet for their new V8, but Chevy was able to kill any Pontiac sports car.
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I was just reading about the Pontiac straight 8 in Wikipedia because...well...just because. Anyway... I came across this interesting piece of Pontiac history- the Pontiac V8 was ready in 1953:
From Wikipedia: Pontiac straight-8 engine
History
The straight-8 was dubbed the Silver-Streak[1] at Pontiac Division. Powered by the "eight", a Pontiac was promoted as a likable automobile, with enough power under the hood to get the job done in affordable luxury.
However, by the early 1950s, overhead valve V8s from sister divisions Cadillac, Buick and Oldsmobile, as well as new overhead valve V8s from Ford Motor Company and Chrysler Corporation, made the "Silver Streak" all but obsolete in power, It was a quiet, smooth running engine that served the needs of the 1930s and '40s American consumer adequately for power, if not reliability or economy, but by 1954, the engine was decidedly eclipsed not only by competing auto makers, but by General Motors' own divisions' products as well. Further hamstringing the "Silver Streak" was the aged, but cheap to produce, flathead configuration. Interesting to note that the Strato Streak V-8 was ready to go in 1953, but was held back by the protesting Buick and Olds divisions. Evidence of this is in the details of the chassis/steering of 1953 and 1954 Pontiac's which were designed for the V-8. The V8 configuration of the "Strato-Streak" 287-cubic-inch engine that replaced it in 1955 did away with all the crankshaft and L-head related problems, replacing the Depression era "cheap 8" with a truly modern, durable but yet affordable design perfectly matched to Pontiac's target market. A few years later (fall of 1956), under the guidance of Bunkie Knudsen Pontiac was determined to change its image into a performance car to boost sales, this led Knudsen to look for further talent such as in Pete Estes as chief engineer (taken from Olds division) and John DeLorean as director of advanced engineering,a former Packard and Chrysler engineer. Pontiac became known as a performance division based upon the durable, well performing V8s that came later, all of them based upon the original 287 of 1955.
Who Knew?!! Anyone else aware of this?
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Praying for your dad and you too, Frosty.
btw... nice ride!
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4 minutes ago, 31pontiac said:
Very nice pics! You were moving pretty fast to get all of those shots in 2 hours! You must have taken the pictures of my '59 right after I arrived, as that was the only time I was in the car. Thanks for sharing. Hope you don't mind if I add a few of my pics.
Ha! That was you!...who knew?!! Small world...
I had seen you pull in and I wanted to get some shots before you put the hood up. I got a couple of shots and just you were getting out, some official guy was asking for you to put your hood up... I mean you hadn't even gotten out of the car yet. lol!
I went for quantity, not quality... no artsy-fartsy pictures, lol! I took 257 pictures, almost half were junk, but I kind of expected that because the sun was overwhelming my camera knowledge, still learning my new camera. There were so many cars and they were really spread out with virtually no shade, I had to go indoors a couple of times to recover.
I am happy for you to add your pictures!
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...and Mopars and Mustangs and others.
Yesterday (Saturday 6/30) I went to the Pypes open house car show in Hatfield PA. It is four shows in one: a Pontiac show, a Mopar show, a Mustang show, and a Other Musclecars show. By far and away there were WAY more Pontiacs than anything else. The fact that the GTOAA convention was just down the road a bit helped as there was a ton of Goats. This is the first Pontiac show I've been to in four years. One of the main reasons for going, I was hoping I would run in to my old '68 GTO Black Betty (she wasn't there 😞). Anyway, it was a long day for me, it's a 4.5 hour drive one way, it was mid to high 90s (this being the east coast, it was NOT a dry heat), and, being an old fart, I only lasted about two hours. It was pretty brutal, not much shade. Because of the intense sunlight, most all my pictures were overexposed, I made up for it as best I could in Lightroom, so they are just ok not great. They are in no particular order other than Pontiacs are first, then Mopars, Mustangs, and others.
Hope you enjoy the slideshow!
http://s931.photobucket.com/user/us_strat/slideshow/Pypes 2?sort=4
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2018 Woodward Dream Cruise photo's. Post yours!
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Nice pictures, JUSTA!