Last Indian

Looks great Nathan! The MS2000 platform is the most underrated of the modern era FWDs. Yet specifically the Grand Prix is even more so, as there are specific parameters that are different from the other divisions. With the right modifications the car, I call the last Indian, the Pontiac Grand Prix 1997-2003, can rival many of the muscle car era cars, both in looks & performance.

6 hours ago, Hotrodjohn71 said:

Thanks for the advice. I have an 8" delco style booster on the way. I will also recheck if the drums were new or turned. I am pretty sure they are new. But I will find out.

I believed you on the 1”, It’s just been a long long time & I had it stuck that I remember 7/8”. That said the 9” is the right size, but the 8” should be good too. On your brake pedal there should be two holes for the celvis pin. Which hole do you currently have it in? Also, how much free play do you have?

On 4/17/2023 at 10:23 AM, Hotrodjohn71 said:

Hi Kiwi, if I do a panic stop, the fronts will lock up, but I think all the wheels lock up as well.

Our m/c is a 1" bore which is correct for power (all drum).

Manual (all drum)  are 7/8" on the 1967 Firebird.

For the power drum/disc cars, it's a 1 1/8" bore m/c.

Have you tried removing the vacuum line from the booster to make it a manual system to see how it brakes? A 1” bore is a big bore. And the 1 1/8” is huge, that’s in the realm of 4 wheel disc brakes duel piston! 

Anything is re-buildable, but there comes a point where cost out weighs desire! I think your there! Cheaper to find a new carcass & start with that.

10 hours ago, Hotrodjohn71 said:

Thank you Fitzy. You bring up a point that is very interesting. I actually don't know anything about this booster as it came on the car from a seller out of state.

I now  have a new question after researching this for a while.
I see listed for a 1967 Pontiac Firebird (4) different brake boosters with seemingly no differentiation I can find (which really makes me wonder if my booster is correct for my application).

One is 11" single diaphragm, one 11" dual diaphragm, one is 9" single diaphragm, and one 9" dual diaphragm - all being listed for 67 firebird .

It looks like your booster is an 11”. That’s to big for 4 wheel drum. You need no more than a 9” single diaphragm booster for that application.

On 4/6/2023 at 4:16 PM, 31pontiac said:

 

    Here’s another video for those who didn’t see the first drive.

    I am hoping to blow it apart and paint it this year, but our upcoming septic system replacement may dictate otherwise.😖

Beautiful Tim! Love the commitment to detail! Love to see that no matter how twisted this world gets, there are those who understand that the pinnacle of design is just that! Can’t be improved on! Only repeated perfectly! Which is often more difficult than the original concept!

If it was mine, I’d JustA put in a Cloyes timing set! Noise coming from the timing gear/chain would be the last thing I would hear over the rumbling exhaust!  
JustA kidding!

Simple explanation also is pcv system replaced a draft tube. Cylinder blow by pressurizes the crank case. This needs vented. Tree huggers wanted those emissions captured instead of releasing them to the atmosphere. So they took the draft tube, in a manor of speaking, connected it to the intake manifold through a valve. In doing that you create negative pressure & in time would suck all the oil that became vapor out of the crank case. So they needed to equalize the pressure to zero or as close as possible. The fresh air supply originally came from the air cleaner to the valve cover & down to the crank case. Most hot rodders disconnected that connection & put in breathers. Sometimes in one sometimes in both.
The main problem this caused was engine sludge & carbon buildup on various parts. These problems precipitated major changes in engine oil chemistry. 

Still need to decide on what I’m using for a backlight & how I might install the Pontiac light JustA gave me. My idea is it will illuminate the trunk floor or side wall. Not sure yet or if I can even get it to work the way I want.

This is the cover installed in the trunk.

Thanks guys! This whole thing isn’t much of a deal, but that’s all I real have time for right now. As crazy as that sounds being retired & all, but it is what it is.

We just had a unusually warm day Wednesday, 73 degrees here for a high. So I got a chance to paint the polycarbonate cover that covers the spare tire/battery. That said I got a chance today to get a little further on the cover idea. There’s still more to be done, but ultimately I do intend to back light this cover underneath. So that’s the reason kind of depict that.

Hey! Congratulations Kiwi! I think to be fair though you should show a before & after picture so folks, who aren’t aware, can appreciate all your hard labors!

Again Congrats buddy!

Ok, we all know that the Earth was once completely covered by water. I’m referring to the time earth was formed, there is proof of that. Now moving ahead in time & whether you believe in the great flood of the Bible or not there is not a ancient civilization on earth that didn’t have some record of this event. Furthermore if you need to prove it to yourself pull up Google Earth. Go to the North Pole, in this appropriate area you’ll find an underwater crevice so deep & wide it is visible from space. You can follow this crevice all the way to Antarctica. While it is not will covered by any organization it is well known as the event that caused the great flood! Such a cataclysmic event that it caused rain for 40 days & nights! Created many of the great mountains of the world, but the most obvious are the great Rocky Mountains & the Himalayan Mountains! These were created because the two continents literally slide on their plates away from each other as the subterranean waters were being emptied from under them through that deep crevice you see. And when the water ran out those land mass caused an accordion effect in the land creating those mountain ranges on opposite sides of the continents! Sounds unbelievable I know, but we know it to be true! Why? Because this very trench is still spewing hot lava to this day & continuing to grow the distance between the Americas & Eurasia & Africa!

So what does this have to do with crude oil under ground? Well while scientists still can’t definitively say what crude comes from, the latest findings indicate more than likely ancient underground sea beds of algae than decade over time! Now that puts a entirely new light on the abundance of crude! Because there are at lease 3 times the volume of underground oceans as there are on the surface! These oceans are by far more likely to have produced & are continually producing algae, that did & would decay & become crude oil! 

I could go on, but you get the point, I hope! What the take away should be is this. First we humans do not have the technology to really know where all those deposits are! Many could actually lay under some or all of those aquifers. Secondly we have knowledge of where many aquifers are, but not how deep many of them are or what might be under them. There was a plan in place before this planet was even formed. Certain forces keep trying to change its path! Ultimately that’s not going to happen! For the most part those that beat the doomsday drum, beat it about the ecology not the longevity of crude because in general they know that won’t work because the know of what is written here. 

So while all of this is great news; it’s not the battle at hand! That battle is about that utter lie about the burning of fossil fuels. Ask one of these morons sometime when they spew their lies how many things they would have to get rid of from their everyday lives to get rid of crude. Ask them how will they hold their socks up? Their underwear? What about their clothes, shoes, belt, siding on the house, the roof on their house the asphalt road they drive on, their solar panels, wind turbine, the batteries they use in everything, their cell phone, computer! There is not enough room here to list even .000001% of what we use crude for! If any one thinks this whole thing isn’t about the annihilation of the human race; you might want to rethink that.

21 hours ago, JUSTA6 said:

REMEMBER THIS AT THE PUMP......

By the way, this can be verified. Check it out at the link below !!!!!!

 USGS Releases Oil and Gas Assessment for the Bakken and Three Forks Formations of Montana and North Dakota | U.S. Geological Survey [usgs.gov 

About 6 months ago, there was a news program on oil and one of The Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer; how much oil does the U.S. Have in the ground?" Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "More than all the Middle East put Together."

The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only Scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and Extreme eastern Montana.

 Check THIS out:

The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska's Prudhoe Bay and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable (5 Billion barrels), at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.  "When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their Jaws hit the floor. 

They had no idea." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyzer.  "This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

 It's a formation known as the Williston Basin but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'  It stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada. For years, U.S. Oil exploration has been considered a dead end.  Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.

 However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's Massive reserves, And, we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is Light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!!!!!  That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years Straight. And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - Because it's from 2006 !!!!!!

 U.S. Oil Discovery - Largest Reserve in the World Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006.  Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the Largest untapped oil reserve in the world.  It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush Mandated its extraction.  In many recent years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this mother lode of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore Drilling.

They reported this stunning news:  We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on Earth. 

Here are the official estimate.

8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

18 times as much oil as Iraq

21 times as much oil as Kuwait

22 times as much oil as Iran

500 times as much oil as Yemen

And it's all right here in the Western United States !!!!!!

 HOW can this BE? 

HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the Environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become Independent of foreign oil!  Again, we are letting a small group of people Dictate our lives and our economy. WHY?

James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East, more than 2 TRILLION barrels Untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the World today, reports The Denver Post.

Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price even with this find? Think again!  It's all about the competitive marketplace, it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?

 Got your attention yet? Now, while you're thinking about it, do this:

Pass this along. If you don't take a little time to do this, then you should stifle yourself the next time you complain about gas prices, by doing NOTHING, you forfeit your right to complain.

Now I just wonder what would happen in this country if every one of you sent this to everyone in your address book.

By the way, this can be verified. Check it out at the link below !!!!!!

 USGS Releases Oil and Gas Assessment for the Bakken and Three Forks Formations of Montana and North Dakota | U.S. Geological Survey [usgs.gov the United States is at the top of the list with 264 billion barrels of recoverable oil reserves, followed by Russia with 256 billion, Saudi Arabia with 212 billion, Canada with 167 billion, Iran with 143 billion, and Brazil with 120 billion.

  The US also consumes more oil than any other country worldwide. In addition to being the world's largest oil producer, the United States also imports upwards of 8 million barrels of oil per day.

 America now has more untapped oil than any other country on the planet. That's according to a new report from Rystad Energy that estimates the U.S. is sitting on an incredible 264 billion barrels of oil reserves.

 Is there untapped oil in the US?

The country is also the world's largest consumer of oil, using about 21 million barrels per day in 2019 — 20% of the world's total. Buried under U.S. soil lies an estimated 38.2 billion barrels worth of proven oil reserves that are still untapped, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. 

 Is the earth still making oil?

It took millions of years for it to form, and when it is extracted and consumed, there is no way for us to replace it. Oil supplies will run out. Eventually, the world will reach “peak oil,” or its highest production level. Some experts predict peak oil could come as soon as 2050. 

So, will we ever run completely out of oil, to the point where there is none at all? In short no, it is physically and economically not possible. Crude oil will only continue to be extracted so long as it is profitable to do so. 

What year will oil run out?

According to the MAHB, the world's oil reserves will run out by 2052, natural gas by 2060 and coal by 2090. The U.S. Energy Information Association said in 2019 that the United States has enough natural gas to last 84 years. 

What is the world running out of?

Rapid population growth, climate change, high demand for food, manufacturing, and the economic crisis have left the world in dire shortage of a number of critical things. Some of these, like water, soil, and antibiotics, are things we can't live out. 

How long will oil last in the world?

There are 1.65 trillion barrels of proven oil reserves in the world as of 2016. The world has proven reserves equivalent to 46.6 times its annual consumption levels. This means it has about 47 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves). 

Who controls the oil price?

The price of oil fluctuates according to three main factors: current supply, future supply, and expected global demand. Members of OPEC control 40% of the world's oil. 

Can we make oil?

A new discovery could let scientists artificially create crude oil in under an hour, accelerating a natural process that normally takes at least a few million years to complete. 

Why are oil companies not drilling?

As to why they weren't drilling more, oil executives blamed Wall Street. Nearly 60% cited "investor pressure to maintain capital discipline" as the primary reason oil companies weren't drilling more despite skyrocketing prices, according to the Dallas Fed survey 

I will add to this, but it will take some time, so stay tuned.
JustA tidbit though! We will not run out of oil EVER! WHY? Do some research & you will find something else they, you know who they are, don’t what you to know! Areas all over the world where oil was drilled for and have been presumed dry have refilled! You do realize that they, yes scientists, don’t even real know what crude oil is! Or gasoline for that matter! Is it organic? Yes! What isn’t? Nothing! Every single thing on this planet is organic! Every single thing no matter what it is is organic, made of the earth! All synthesized means is it was modified from its original structure, but it wasn’t pulled out of thin air.

On 1/22/2023 at 12:24 AM, 64 kiwi boni said:

wow !! nice Last Indian ! you never fail to teach me !!... 

why have i hurd of carbolic acid before ? is it in other things ?

Yes, it is also known as Phenylic acid, Hydrobenzene & some others depending on the exact chemistry group. It is used in & for many things. It is used for all kinds of plastics, detergents, herbicides & pharmaceuticals. 
The point here is esters are part of every additive package that goes into gasoline. Esters combine with alcohol to form carbolic acid! Now carbolic acid is highly flammable. So from a combustion perspective that’s not bad, but as a corrosive that stays in contact with materials that can be attacked by that acid; that’s very bad! Especially from a repeated & longevity standpoint. Have you ever pulled a small carb off of a small 4 stroke engine that had a plastic gas tank? Like a lawn mower or such. Did you notice all the tiny white particles in the gas when you emptied the carb bowl? If so you saw the effect that carbolic acid had on both the plastic gas tank & the carb internal parts. That same phenomenon is occurring in a old carburetor engine. But not necessarily just the carburetor. It can also occur in the fuel pump, fuel lines & even the fuel tank in some cases depending on what materials are where. 
This way those additives like Sta-bil or Regaine are important to use without fail.

On 12/4/2022 at 3:17 AM, 64 kiwi boni said:

My answer to that would be “really” to chad !

no way is fuel doing that in 2 months 20 moths yeah !

Well, actually yes it does! Here’s why! Ethanol is a corrosive liquid. When added to gas it does not evaporate like Fitzy thinks! Quite the opposite. The two actually form a very very mild acid, which due to the acidic content results in a very low evaporation rate, but this carbolic acid is still more corrosive than plain ethanol. This is due to the heat that they are exposed to. In older engines that use carburetors this then becomes a huge problem unless a product like Sta-bil is used, & it must be present from the beginning! If the fuel line & carb have untreated fuel in them adding it to the tank will do no good. If you have run the carb for long enough with untreated fuel, but on a continuous basis you have still caused corrosion to the brass, aluminum, plastic & rubber parts of the carb. So any extended shut down of the engine even with treated fuel might result in some type of carb failure. 
You should realize that the gas you pump into your vehicle is already in a carbolic acid state! It doesn’t happen in you tank after the fact.
This is why way back when I talked about using Sta-bil & or a PEA additive. These additives literally, when added to ethanol fuel, cause a reaction that separates the ethanol from the gas that now allows the evaporation of the ethanol that Fitzy referred to.
P.S.

I did forget to mention that carbolic acid degrades very rapidly, thus the reason most old cars see fuel degradation in as short of time as a few weeks! But additives like Sta-bil change that time frame & extend it. Additionally fuel injected vehicles do not see that kind of degradation because the materials that add to that degradation, brass, aluminum, plastic & rubber  have been removed or treated with surface coatings to stop contact with the affected materials. And if a additive like Sta-bil has been used than the longevity of that fuel can be quite extended.

14 hours ago, 64 kiwi boni said:

Both Last indian!

.As we know, a drop spindle provides full suspsnsion movement, a chopped spring doesnt.

and this isnt for my 64  this is for something special i am working on.....

its in the concept stage justA at the moment.... 

i am hoping that someone out there can say "yes chris a impala stub axle fits a pontiac" 

i may be dreaming !!!

You are bang on Kiwi! I suspected that was the case, but needed to ask to have a direction to point. Air bags/shocks are ok & have some advantages if you wish to change riding height at times. Springs tend to be more precise. 
There is a company here in the states that might fit the bill for the front end swap. BMR. I run their suspension components on the Indian. See the link. https://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=products&productid=1272 this is a front end swap to coil overs that are adjustable which eliminates suspension travel issues. Likewise they have a kit to change over the rear axle. These are for the A body Chevys which are the counterpart for the b body Pontiac’s. You might have to swap out the rear axle for a Chevy not sure. https://www.bmrsuspension.com/index.cfm?page=products&productid=2325
Obviously you need to research this further to make sure it will fly so I would call them & see if this might work. Obviously some mods would need done.

Ok another question. Feather on the head or not?

Also, what is the feeling of the necklace (copper dots)? If I did this the arrowhead at the end would be either copper or the clear amber.

Kiwi, what are you wishing to lower it for? Looks, handling, both? I ask because there are different things to do, obviously, but some will produce one result & others will produce another. In some case you might get a result you don’t want. So thus my question.